Tires again, budd wheels and tube vs tubless

[scl009]

I've been trying to figure out my wheel situation.

I'm putting a 10.5 ford fullfloating rearend under my chassis and its starting to look like a completely different truck (bad thing). I know that this is part of trying to "update" the old beast and sorry if I'm offending you but help would be appreciated.

I have a few different options

1: make wheel adapters (8 lug to 5 lug) and slightly enlarge the center hole on my existing budds (I think I like this option the best cause I could switch out new tires and rims for highway or put the original wheels on for a parade or cruisin the neighborhood) there wouldn't be much meat left on the rim to drive faster than 20mph though

2: Try and find some blank rims and get the original centers welded in (would still need wheel adapters and enlargening of the center hole)

3: Just get completely custom rims

My question for options 2 and 3 come down to the tire. I want to keep those big skinny tires skinny, and am not having any luck finding a 600 x 20 tubless tire. Can you use a tire that was design for a tube on a tubless rim? IE If I get 20 inch skinny rims can I just use the 600 x 20 tires from bridgestone dunlap (all the ones sold by macs etc.) I have found plenty of sources of info about the differences in the rim between tube and tubless but nothing about the difference in the construction and application of the actual tire.

opinions/advice? Please keep in mind my goal is to update the truck safely while keeping her orignal appearing from the outside/25-50yds away. This is probably why early on I was trying to steer clear from a different rearend, but after much debate I decided that wasan't the right answer.

Scott

[Chris Haynes]

Why not simply re-drill the bolt pattern on your new rear axles and drums?

[NDTMAN]

I have 6 rims that are no good to me because they are the suiside style rims but the centers could be removed and welded in a 20: rim if that helps you. Been wrestling with the same issues but decided to stick to the split rims found my the two I was missing and they are being shipped to me. Dont know where you are located but I am in Muskegon MI

[Chris Haynes]

What is a suicide style rim?

[scl009]

Chris the ford 10.5 has a 4.93" hub diameter. I considered drilling out the original bolt pattern in the new rotor and widening the center hole on the rim to 4.93", but then I would literally have 0.112 inches between the lug nut and the hub (not enough space to fit a socket on the nut). Plus doing it that way, also only leaves 0.338 inches of meat of wheel rim between the hub hole and lug bolt hole.

If I used wheel adapters then I will have the same exact problem but would be able to change to modern wheels for longer distances.

If that doesn't make since I'll draw up a schematic later tonight and post it



I have what I think are 6 good original tires, If I do go the cutting center sections out and welding to blanks, I may sell the wheels I have and try and find something a little less valuable to cut up.

[scl009]

Because my hub is so big, my center hole needs to be widened to 4.93 maaking the peice of metal my finger is touching only 0.338 inches. Thats what scares me.

[Bob C]

This is one type of suicide rim, I think there is one that is three pieces.

[Chris Haynes]

Because my hub is so big, my center hole needs to be widened to 4.93 maaking the peice of metal my finger is touching only 0.338 inches. Thats what scares me.

Perhaps you could remove some material from the axle head?

[Reds34]

I don't know offhand, but what is the diameter of the '34 and later rims?

Red

[spectria]

This is one type of suicide rim, I think there is one that is three pieces.

I see the suicide part!!!

[spectria]

Because my hub is so big, my center hole needs to be widened to 4.93 making the piece of metal my finger is touching only 0.338 inches. That's what scares me.

I would not alter the original rims unless you don't care what the end result looks like, I think a reduction in the diameter of the hub on your new Rotors and a spacer/adapter to push the wheels out a little might allow it to all fit under the fenders in front, I don't know what your rears are gonna look like, Duals, Express Bed with fenders?

If its a stake-bed, an inch out on each side should look OK to most, and forget the Judging...
JMHO

[scl009]

Tube vs. tubless tire construction and application anyone?
Could I use a "tube" tire on a tubless rim. I know some guys do this for motorcyles, but they also aren't weighing in at a ton.

[Bob C]

Tube type truck tires come in even sizes like 20" and tubeless come in
half sizes like 19.5 or 22.5. Also the profile is different.