split ring wheel retainer

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scl009
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split ring wheel retainer

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Welp it took me about 4.5 hours to get the tire off the first of my rims. I was a little tired from some yard work and it was my first one and it is the worst looking (rusted up) rim I have. Maybe the next 5 will go smoother.

Can't get the split ring to budge so I'm doing some electrolysis on it overnight tonight. Anyone know any magic tricks for gettin it off. I searched and a few people said they found some tools that work, but then they didn't really describe them or show any pics.
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Bob C
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Re: split ring wheel retainer

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Here's a link to some tire tools http://www.kentool.com/catalogs/KTCatalogTireIrons.pdf

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flatford39
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Re: split ring wheel retainer

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You need to soak that thing with a 50 50 mix of acetone and automatic transmission fluid. Keep soaking it and tapping it with a ball pein hammer. It will probably take a month to free it up. that is how I got mine apart.
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1crosscut
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Re: split ring wheel retainer

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scl009
Here is what I have done to get the tire off the rims and it worked rather well for me. Mine were really old and hard.
On the split ring side take a saws all and cut completely around the outer edge of the tire along the tread. Then cut completely around the tire just outside of the retainer ring allowing the side wall to be removed. Pull out the tube and flap. With the saws all cut as far into the bead at the split in the retainer as you can. Finish the cut through the steel bands in the bead with a sharp chisel. Hopefully then you can peel the bead away from the retainer ring, flip the tire over onto an upturned bucket and with a rubber mallet break the tire loose from the back side of the rim.
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Reds34
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Re: split ring wheel retainer

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Wow, I've never gotten a tire off without removing the ring before. That thing must really be rusted on there. I've never had that much trouble getting the ring off, the trouble I usually have is getting the tire off the rusty rim.

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scl009
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After a night of electrolysis about half of the retainer is moving, gonna soak it again tonight and hopefully try and get it off tomorrow.

The retainer does have some pin holes in it, you think I can still resuse it? There is also some pitting, but I expected that, I think with new flaps, tubes and tires it should be ok. I'll post a pic of the pitting and the rim when my phone starts working again.
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scl009
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Oh forgot to mention, I did cut the tire off with a sawsall and a bolt cutter to brake the bead.
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my phone started working
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Reds34
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Re: split ring wheel retainer

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It's a little hard to tell how rusty the rim is. It doesn't look the rim is too bad where the 2 sections are riveted together. If there are any pin holes in the rim, then don't use it. What is that rear end for in the picture?

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scl009
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It's a 10.5 inch free floating axle from an 2001 F350
Reds34
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I was wondering if it was a sterling axle.

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Re: split ring wheel retainer

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scl009 wrote: The retainer does have some pin holes in it, you think I can still resuse it?
Howdy Scott. I felt like this was a pretty important question to respond to with my 2¢ worth.

I'd be pretty leary of using a split ring that had rust through. Seems like it would be a question of when
it fails, not if it fails.

Everyone within launch distance would always be in great danger.

Again, just my 2¢ since you asked. :)

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