Long mirror arm

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KimVanOrder
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Re: Long mirror arm

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yup. the '28s had the mirror attached at the visor. Not the window frame. But either will work .
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Neil Wilson
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AA-17745 Mirror Bracket (11-1/16" long)

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Actually, the first AA's with the 82-A (through about February 1928) had a hing pillar mounted side view mirror (about 1/3 the distance between the upper/middle hinges. The bracket was changes to allow the mirror to be installed using the sun visor screws or on the hinge pillar. This setup included the 85-A which started production in August 1929.

Starting in early 1929, the bracket changed again and was installed on the hinge pillar about 1/2 the distance between the upper/center hinges. This was the location for the remainder of the 82-A and 85-A production (through June 1930). This last time period included the use of both a short and long mirror bracket - A-17745 Mirror Bracket (11-1/16" long). See the mounting hole measurements in the attached.

Starting with the 82-B and 85-B production (June 1930), the mirror bracket was installed on the upper hinge and there was more that one long bracket depending on the production date of the AA.

Just my opinion - If a long mirror bracket is going to be made and sold, then maybe a correct looking original should be reproduced. Why spend $'s getting someone to make an incorrect bracket?
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carlsoncg
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Re: Long mirror arm

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Neil. I agree that a mirror that is made should resemble an original mirror as much as possible. Please post a picture of the correct long length mirror for a 1928 AA.

Thanks, Carl
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82-A Original Mirror Brackets

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carlsoncg wrote:Neil. I agree that a mirror that is made should resemble an original mirror as much as possible. Please post a picture of the correct long length mirror for a 1928 AA.

Thanks, Carl
Carl, The photo above shows all 1928 through June 1930 mirror brackets used for the 82-A and 85-A. For 1928 the A-17737 d1 and d2 mirror brackets would have been original. The 82-A cab would have dictated which design would have been used on the assembly line.
  • If anyone wants something longer (i.e. non-original), then that would need to be made as desired. Attached is an example of a pair of long brackets made by an AA'er to replace the A-17737 d1 (also shown in the photo). The mirror heads used were also not like original. The original mirror head is also shown in the photo. The AA'er wanted better viewing for his stake bodied AA and wanted one for the right side as well.
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Re: Long mirror arm

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OOH pretty!
carlsoncg
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Re: Long mirror arm

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Neil, Thanks. I just wanted to make sure I had correctly understood that there were no original long side mirrors for a 1928 AA that could be copied. I think that over many posts to this forum that it is likely that, although I finally registered my AA as a 1928 model and the engine serial number says it is of 1928 vintage (no frame serial number visible), my AA is a combination of 1928 and 1929 (or maybe even later) components, possibly including the side mirror assembly and location. I used the short mirror that was on the truck as a template to create a longer driver's side, as well as a long passenger side mirror, for safety reasons much the same as the AA'er you mention above. Looking at my "new" long mirrors (though I have not seen the finished product) it looks like they most closely resemble the pictured AA-17745 11-1/16" long mirrors provided from 3/29 to 6/30. You might recall that back on July 2016 you thought it likely that my truck's cab and cowl shape, and mirror location, hinted that my AA was possibly a 1929. You said..."The pictured AA may actually be a 1929 based on the location of the mirror." In any case it is what it is, even if it is likely not a "Pure" 1928 or 1929.
As usual, thanks for your terrific information,
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Re: Long mirror arm

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carlsoncg wrote:Neil, Thanks. I just wanted to make sure I had correctly understood that there were no original long side mirrors for a 1928 AA that could be copied. I think that over many posts to this forum that it is likely that, although I finally registered my AA as a 1928 model and the engine serial number says it is of 1928 vintage (no frame serial number visible), my AA is a combination of 1928 and 1929 (or maybe even later) components, possibly including the side mirror assembly and location. I used the short mirror that was on the truck as a template to create a longer driver's side, as well as a long passenger side mirror, for safety reasons much the same as the AA'er you mention above. Looking at my "new" long mirrors (though I have not seen the finished product) it looks like they most closely resemble the pictured AA-17745 11-1/16" long mirrors provided from 3/29 to 6/30. You might recall that back on July 2016 you thought it likely that my truck's cab and cowl shape, and mirror location, hinted that my AA was possibly a 1929. You said..."The pictured AA may actually be a 1929 based on the location of the mirror." In any case it is what it is, even if it is likely not a "Pure" 1928 or 1929.
As usual, thanks for your terrific information,
Carl
Carl, from your pictures, your 82-A cab has d-nuts in the hinge pillar. It is most likely a 1929 cab. It looks like your mirror bracket is a extended A-17741 d1. What is the length of the bracket? Once the right mirror is installed, will you have a problem getting in/out of your garage?
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BrianT
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Re: Long mirror arm

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Hello Neil,
I must have met the guy that made the long arms at Escondido Cruising Grand July 2015 to much of a coincidence, here are pictures of those same mirrors, they are on a early 28 high rear window, that he has owned for 50 plus years, which sat for most of that time until he was ready to do something with it, he must be a member?.
A year earlier there was a highly modified 28 AA, with modern running gear etc, but exceptionally well finished, sporting 2 of the long AA 17745 brackets, (are these correct in the pics?,) one of them he got with the truck and took him 30 years to find the other
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Re: Long mirror arm

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BrianT wrote:Hello Neil,
I must have met the guy that made the long arms at Escondido Cruising Grand July 2015 to much of a coincidence, here are pictures of those same mirrors, they are on a early 28 high rear window, that he has owned for 50 plus years, which sat for most of that time until he was ready to do something with it, he must be a member?.
A year earlier there was a highly modified 28 AA, with modern running gear etc, but exceptionally well finished, sporting 2 of the long AA 17745 brackets, (are these correct in the pics?,) one of them he got with the truck and took him 30 years to find the other
Brian,
Yes, Art Stickley is a FMAATC member. Art's AA is AA98977.

Mirror bracket AA-17745 was provided starting 3/29 for AA's with the 88-A platform and 188-A stake racks as indicated in my above photo. The original bracket has the part number (see attached photo). I can't tell from your photo if the bracket is original. These brackets were a dipped black enamel finish. The mirror shown is not original.
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ramm1101
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Re: Long mirror arm

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Hi, I have a few AA17745 cast steel long arms. They were cast from an original.
GComo
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Re: Long mirror arm

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ramm1101 wrote:Hi, I have a few AA17745 cast steel long arms. They were cast from an original.

Do you want to sell One?
ramm1101
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Re: Long mirror arm

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Yes ,I have to drill and tape one would like $75.00 with shipping.
GComo
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Re: Long mirror arm

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Ramm,
Please send me a pm with your address. I will send you pay,net for a long arm.

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Re: Long mirror arm

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Payment
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Re: Long mirror arm

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i just sent you a message.
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