Warford auxiallry transmission

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Jeff Brown
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Warford auxiallry transmission

Post by Jeff Brown » January 21st, 2017, 9:58 am

I'm dismantling a Warford dual auxiliary transmission ready to put in my truck but struck a problem with the lower fixed shaft. How is this shaft held in place? I gave it a couple of gentle taps but it seems pretty solid - is there something that holds this in apart from the end plate. Only reason for removal was to check the bearings and see if they need replacement, and also that the drive shaft cannot be removed with the lower shaft gears in place. Any info appreciated.

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Jeff
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Re: Warford auxiallry transmission

Post by Stakebed » January 22nd, 2017, 8:36 am

Can you take a dental pick and scrape around in there? I dont know if they would have or use snap rings then... Also be aware if its anything like the model a 3 speed trans the main shaft can only come out the rear, if you try to hit it out the front the case will crack due to an ever so slight taper fit at the front. I would soak it with pb blaster or something and clean it up the best you can to see if there's any clues to how its held in there.

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Re: Warford auxiallry transmission

Post by Jeff Brown » January 22nd, 2017, 11:50 am

Thanks, yes I'm soaking it in some degreaser now so I'll see if anything shows up. Tapered shaft is likely, I don't think there are any snap rings as the gear is taking up the full shaft length.

Jeff

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Re: Warford auxiallry transmission

Post by flatford39 » January 22nd, 2017, 3:49 pm

Jeff,

Is that the one I brought back to you from BV in Kansas??? You really need to clean that thing up to see if there is a snap ring holding it. I can't tell from your picture. I was working on a 39 passenger car transmission this afternoon and they don't have them. What they do have is small rod that's held in check with a cotter pin on the other end of what you pictured. Once I removed that the shaft came out easily. You need a brass drift so you don't damage it. Keep soaking it and cleaning so you can see what you have.

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Re: Warford auxiallry transmission

Post by flatford39 » January 22nd, 2017, 3:52 pm

The more I look at that and how it is recessed I suspect that there is a snap ring there that has rusted away. You need to remove all the scales of rust so you can see what you have.

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Re: Warford auxiallry transmission

Post by Jeff Brown » January 22nd, 2017, 4:18 pm

Hi Flatford 39,

No this one came from Canada. Have taken one layer of crud off it, still can't see anything - back in for another soak!

Jeff

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Re: Warford auxiallry transmission

Post by flatford39 » January 22nd, 2017, 7:48 pm

Most machine shops bead blast areas like that prior to working on so they can see what is there.

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Re: Warford auxiallry transmission

Post by AAholic » January 22nd, 2017, 8:48 pm

Here is the parts list from the Canadian parts price list, and some bearing numbers, hope it helps.
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Re: Warford auxiallry transmission

Post by AAholic » January 22nd, 2017, 8:52 pm

Parts price list courtesy of the Bellar Museum

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Re: Warford auxiallry transmission

Post by Stakebed » January 24th, 2017, 7:50 pm

looks like 2030 is the shaft and 2031 is the retainer - picture isnt clear but looks rather large...id scrape and clean and see what you got.

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Re: Warford auxiallry transmission

Post by Jeff Brown » January 25th, 2017, 5:32 am

Thanks guys, currently back to work so will get back to it next weekend.

Jeff

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Re: Warford auxiallry transmission

Post by Still drivin' it » January 29th, 2017, 6:51 am

Doesn't look like there's enough meat on the outside of the case for a drift pin. Possibly the snap ring rotted away and the shaft "walked" back a bit covering the slot for the snap ring. Try exercising the shaft back and forth a few times, applying heat and PB blaster. Maybe the rust is all that's holding it in.

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Re: Warford auxiallry transmission

Post by ModelAMan72 » January 29th, 2017, 2:23 pm

Hi There,
I have taken several of these apart. The shaft is very very tight so I had to press it out. They only go one way towards the strap that you take off the end of the shaft. The shaft is turned down on the other end which s smaller so it can only be pushed the one way. Any questions, email me at papajackstoys@gmail.conm

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Re: Warford auxiallry transmission

Post by Jeff Brown » January 29th, 2017, 2:57 pm

Thanks ModelAMan 72, yes, the shaft is stepped, after soaking it for a week, I gave it a light tap with a drift and it moved ever so slightly so I just kept tapping and after about 10 minutes it was out. Just as well I did take it out, one of the roller bearings inside seems pretty beat up on the end and one roller was broken. Not sure if these are a standard size yet but at least it is all apart.

Jeff

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Re: Warford auxiallry transmission

Post by ModelAMan72 » January 31st, 2017, 8:24 am

If you need bearings, I have numbers for replacements. email me at papajackstoys@gmail.com

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