Door seals, windlace,and welting on 82B Cabs
- Farrell In Vancouver
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Door seals, windlace,and welting on 82B Cabs
Has anyone got pictures of detail insofar as the door windlace, door rubbers and welt installation?
A few pix of my progress:
A few pix of my progress:
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Re: Door seals, windlace,and welting on 82B Cabs
Very Nice Job! I like the "Gas Tank"
Keep us updated.
Keep us updated.
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Re: Door seals, windlace,and welting on 82B Cabs
I love it! one of these days ill get there....
- Neil Wilson
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Re: Door seals, windlace,and welting on 82B Cabs
Attached are the only pictures I have showing the 82-B interior. Maybe they will help.
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Regards, Neil Wilson
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Re: Door seals, windlace,and welting on 82B Cabs
Here is the fourth picture.
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Regards, Neil Wilson
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Re: Door seals, windlace,and welting on 82B Cabs
This is a site with some good pictures, inside and out, of the 82A cab. Might help.
http://abarnyard.com/temp/82-a/
http://abarnyard.com/temp/82-a/
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- Farrell In Vancouver
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Re: Door seals, windlace,and welting on 82B Cabs
Thanks fellas, That is some help. Neil, the fasteners holding the cardboard panels on look like simple box nails? Or did they use the spiral roof nails?
I have two packages labled "windlace core" which is just the inside of the windlace in plain soft rubber. From Neil's pix it look like a fairly rough fabric covered the core and it was then affixed to the door on the front face. I suppose by looking at it, it was just slid into the channel and crimped to hold. The rear edge of the door and top I see from the pics, the top was applied first? then the rear door side, held on with the rear panel nailed to the B-pillar wood. Right? Also in the pics, the lacing itself looks similar to the fabric used on the cowl lacing. No? Perhaps some one has the P/# for this lacing.
Bottom door seal in the last photo looks like what Snyders has as P/N. A-19009
I have two packages labled "windlace core" which is just the inside of the windlace in plain soft rubber. From Neil's pix it look like a fairly rough fabric covered the core and it was then affixed to the door on the front face. I suppose by looking at it, it was just slid into the channel and crimped to hold. The rear edge of the door and top I see from the pics, the top was applied first? then the rear door side, held on with the rear panel nailed to the B-pillar wood. Right? Also in the pics, the lacing itself looks similar to the fabric used on the cowl lacing. No? Perhaps some one has the P/# for this lacing.
Bottom door seal in the last photo looks like what Snyders has as P/N. A-19009
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Re: Door seals, windlace,and welting on 82B Cabs
Farrel: What size tires are you running front vs rear? I see they are different but wondered on the sizes.
Sorry i cant help you with your fastener issue...
Sorry i cant help you with your fastener issue...
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Re: Door seals, windlace,and welting on 82B Cabs
The pictures I posted were reported as being from an original 82-B cab. I can not verify that. The nails look to be flat headed. The 82-A used ring shank nails but they had a slightly domed head. The nails in the pictures look crude to me.
I have not studied the 82-A upholstery. So, the following is just guess work:
The fabric covering the windlacing would have been the same material as the seat covers. The windlacing along the lock pillar would have been installed with tacks and the upholstery panel would cover the windlacing tail. The windlacing at the front of the door would have been somehow held in the channel at the window. Ford would not have crimped the channel to hold it in as that would chip the paint and not allow for replacement. All '30/'31 doors have this same channel. So, someone must know how it is held in place.
The rubber seal along the bottom should be the same as used on the Tudor since the doors are the same.
Farrell, I don't know what your two packages labled "windlace core" are or where they are from. The windlacing should come with the fabric cover installed. Vendor part numbers usually have nothing to do with original Ford part numbers. Ford would have had a part number for each piece of windlacing assembly.
For myself, I will want to do more research before doing upholstery in any of my 82-B projects.
Hey Fred Carlton, does your AA have original upholstery? If yes, please take some high resolution pictures and email them to me.
This subject may have been discussed on the Fordbarn. Anyone done a search there?
I have not studied the 82-A upholstery. So, the following is just guess work:
The fabric covering the windlacing would have been the same material as the seat covers. The windlacing along the lock pillar would have been installed with tacks and the upholstery panel would cover the windlacing tail. The windlacing at the front of the door would have been somehow held in the channel at the window. Ford would not have crimped the channel to hold it in as that would chip the paint and not allow for replacement. All '30/'31 doors have this same channel. So, someone must know how it is held in place.
The rubber seal along the bottom should be the same as used on the Tudor since the doors are the same.
Farrell, I don't know what your two packages labled "windlace core" are or where they are from. The windlacing should come with the fabric cover installed. Vendor part numbers usually have nothing to do with original Ford part numbers. Ford would have had a part number for each piece of windlacing assembly.
For myself, I will want to do more research before doing upholstery in any of my 82-B projects.
Hey Fred Carlton, does your AA have original upholstery? If yes, please take some high resolution pictures and email them to me.
This subject may have been discussed on the Fordbarn. Anyone done a search there?
Regards, Neil Wilson
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- Farrell In Vancouver
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Re: Door seals, windlace,and welting on 82B Cabs
Good Eyes Stakebed!Stakebed wrote:Farrel: What size tires are you running front vs rear? I see they are different but wondered on the sizes.
Sorry i cant help you with your fastener issue...
The rear four are Firestone 4.75-5.00-20's
The front two are Denman's 6.00-20
I found two more of the Firestones yesterday, but I think they look small.
The 6" tires make it look like a real truck but are hard to find around here.
Low budget, but it does roll.
- Farrell In Vancouver
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Re: Door seals, windlace,and welting on 82B Cabs
Thanks for that Neil, Might be a good idea to go fishing on the barn for more info.
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Re: Door seals, windlace,and welting on 82B Cabs
Yea thats what i thought too. they look like low profile tires in comparison to the 20" rims and such.Farrell In Vancouver wrote:Good Eyes Stakebed!Stakebed wrote:Farrel: What size tires are you running front vs rear? I see they are different but wondered on the sizes.
Sorry i cant help you with your fastener issue...
The rear four are Firestone 4.75-5.00-20's
The front two are Denman's 6.00-20
I found two more of the Firestones yesterday, but I think they look small.
The 6" tires make it look like a real truck but are hard to find around here.
Low budget, but it does roll.
Is the 6.00 the sidewall height? Or is it a ratio of sidewall vs tread width?
- Farrell In Vancouver
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Re: Door seals, windlace,and welting on 82B Cabs
Stakebed wrote:Yea thats what i thought too. they look like low profile tires in comparison to the 20" rims and such.Farrell In Vancouver wrote:Good Eyes Stakebed!Stakebed wrote:Farrel: What size tires are you running front vs rear? I see they are different but wondered on the sizes.
Sorry i cant help you with your fastener issue...
The rear four are Firestone 4.75-5.00-20's
The front two are Denman's 6.00-20
I found two more of the Firestones yesterday, but I think they look small.
The 6" tires make it look like a real truck but are hard to find around here.
Low budget, but it does roll.
Is the 6.00 the sidewall height? Or is it a ratio of sidewall vs tread width?
Near as I remember it was much like the motorcycle rims where they gave a rim width for the tire you were going to use. Which makes these Firestones kinda unusual with the rim size to fit a AA wheel and the tread size more suited to a Model A vehicle. They fit the rim ok, but as you noted look kind of like a low profile custom. All the other tires I have had to deal with on the AA trucks were at least 6" and a couple at 6.5" and all were either worn out, rotted, or both. So for now I am kind of stuck with what I have: 6 Firestones and two Denmans. I am waiting till I put the front fenders on to see how silly they look, but in the mean time at least I have duallies!
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Re: Door seals, windlace,and welting on 82B Cabs
Neil:
You stated that the photos are those of a supposedly original 82B cab. If so, then saggy paint with runs is original because they are in the photos. I guess my painting skills aren't all that bad! I've heard often that most AA's are "over" restored.
-- Drew
You stated that the photos are those of a supposedly original 82B cab. If so, then saggy paint with runs is original because they are in the photos. I guess my painting skills aren't all that bad! I've heard often that most AA's are "over" restored.
-- Drew
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Re: Door seals, windlace,and welting on 82B Cabs
ive seen some pics googiling where they had the firestones all around on a dually AA. looked odd but i didnt know what it really was supposed to look like. (my truck had 4 tires none matched and nearly bald) but they looked more like your front tires in sidewall height. But yea i completely understand about you take what you can get. Im just glad i only have to buy 5 and not 7Near as I remember it was much like the motorcycle rims where they gave a rim width for the tire you were going to use. Which makes these Firestones kinda unusual with the rim size to fit a AA wheel and the tread size more suited to a Model A vehicle. They fit the rim ok, but as you noted look kind of like a low profile custom. All the other tires I have had to deal with on the AA trucks were at least 6" and a couple at 6.5" and all were either worn out, rotted, or both. So for now I am kind of stuck with what I have: 6 Firestones and two Denmans. I am waiting till I put the front fenders on to see how silly they look, but in the mean time at least I have duallies!